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You need it for food, shelter, education, transportation, pretty much everything. I love a challenge. They didn't find my labs I had the appointment for at the end and didn't look until I mentioned how much the procedure cost. Δ I can't thank you enough for this comment. If you see a comment that has broken one, it is more effective to report it than downvote it. Great post! EDIT: by "worthless", I don't mean money, I am referring to all the job aspects. A doctor recently told me that I was losing money for the practice, and the way payments are (numbers of visits seen per day), it is probably true. Maybe I need to just reduce my ridiculous work hours. New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be cast, More posts from the changemyview community. I sure hope so. So there ARE ways around the debt problem if you have the aptitude for ER work in a truly busy ER, or if you want to pursue certain specialties. nice post. Doctors have a hectic schedule and crazy workloads. Finish residency at 39. If there is a recession, all bets are off. According to the BLS, medical doctors which include both medical doctors (MDs) and doctors of osteopathic medicine (DOs) earned an annual median salary of $208,000 per year in 2016. I am a teacher and my dad gave me crap for not being a doctor to make "all the money". I'm a CS guy and this is the exact opposite of my experience. There’s no doubt that life, especially after graduating undergrad, is probably easier for the CS major but the difference isn’t nearly enough to render going to medical school worthless. I've had friends and colleagues who did not even have a college degree, let alone a CS degree, who were able to get into the industry and do well there. The best it has been since the dot com era. More hostels were opened and his ambitious plan to create a Village Home for Girls (with a population of over 1000 girls) to replace the home at Mossford Lodge was realized by 1880. The majority of employed lawyers will start out less than $100k, and call out maybe in the $150k range. You can also get some therapy if you suffer from serious spending-related anxiety. Burn out is real and we need good doctors SO badly. A doctor earning $200K a year and saving $50K a year only needs 75% of his pre-retirement income to have the same standard of living. Being a doctor is by far one of the most difficult but bravest professions in the world. Is a career in computer science really that much better than medicine, or I am missing something? Let’s face it, money is a necessity in modern life. Companies often decide to move their operations offshore. Well, kind of. Doctors typically work fewer and fewer hours, the older they get. So much paperwork. And that $600,000 amount is subject to change too. If your decision is based on what Mom, Dad and friends say then you dont belong in medical school or any other career. I cannot think of a profession more stable than medicine. I’m tired, I’m really exhausted. There are countless ups and downs of every career, I'm sure if you majored in computer science you would be asking yourself why you didn't go into medicine. The grass is always greener on the other side, You are mid-way up the hill. I just wasn't very aware of career choices right out of high school. My grandfather was a US soldier. Entry is extremely restricted. If I like CS then of course medicine is not worth the effort whereas if I like medicine, CS would not even compare. Women in India have been getting the raw deal irrespective of their profession or educational qualifications. I just had a bad doctor appointment, but was trying to be calm/fair to the doctor. 9. There are books and articles that can help you build a healthy relationship with money. My first end stage glaucoma case I shadowed and the lady said to the doctor, “I would rather die than be blind.” Struck me to the core. Thank you so much. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. Be prepared to give not only of your medical skills, but also your emotional support as well,” Dr. Alton adds. I worked my fucking ass off. Sometimes there's more to life than relaxation and ease of living. Firstly, please read through our rules. The short answer is yes, but the long answer is that if you're only in it for the money then do not go to med school. No matter how tired I am, I try to stay strong for my team. One day we will pass away and we should strive to leave earth knowing we helped make it a better place. Being a doctor is by far one of the most difficult but bravest professions in the world. Here are some examples of what I’ve had yelled at directly to me multiple times: “You did this to me with your agent orange!” “I don’t want the oriental doctor!” “Go back to your own country!”, Constantly badgered with...”where are you from?”, I’m from earth, more specifically I’m an American. There is only a very few that are. Programmers are often the first to be laid off. Maybe you aren't officially expected to work those extra hours, but you will be replaced by some younger kid who has that kind of time to burn who will work those extra hours. The money is good, it makes everyone around you feel inferior, and you get a diploma that literally gives you permission to play God. The efficient ones also have it pretty good. Being aware of why you’re spending money on something and understanding that you’re trading your time for that thing. If i go through the program my post-undergraduate savings with be gone within 4-5 months then I'll be looking at 90K in loans to be repaid. Being "good with computers" is what most people see us as, whether we're software engineers, database administrators, network operators, whatever. In that time the CS major has both money and money to invest if they are good with their money, and their salary may have risen. Thomas John Barnardo 1900-1905. Never let people see the captain running around waving their hands in the air when the ship is sinking, you have to lead by example. I am a teacher and my dad gave me crap for not being a doctor to make "all the money". But fuck it, I am good at what I do. Be prepared to give not only of your medical skills, but also your emotional support as well,” Dr. Alton adds. Learn more. Even a medium / bad doctor will still get high wages. 7. The best ones got insane paychecks, and often get correct work hours. I am nice to everyone no matter what, that should just be a standard to being a human. I do not get extra money using x products. There's also a lack of stability in lots of cases. They are in their late seventies / early eighties. I just feel bad because you worked your ass off for this and right now you’re wondering where the pay off is. But if you subtract the after-tax amount of $30,000 you would have made without a MD or DO degree, you are left with $70,000. As long as I have two functioning hands, I can work. with that said, you can ask the endless people who were saved by doctors to see if they feel medicine is worthless career. I am so under appreciated by patients. Hear about the perks of the profession straight from the MDs who know firsthand. The medical field is so not what i thought it was. No one talks about it, but risking excommunication, I’m telling you. I feel like I was duped and tricked,” he says. It’s hardly a “get rich quick” scheme, but for most of us, it is at least a “get moderately well-off slow” scheme. Some people suffer anxiety about spending money. I've talked to doctors who hate their jobs and vow they would never let their children become doctors even though they live in nice houses in Southern California. In some years stocks tank and bonds stay up. Although, I do fight myself from just wanting to go into a dark corner and cry. 9. It’s so incredibly important! OTOH, anyone can get into the software industry. Press J to jump to the feed. I know it might not seem like it, but you are appreciated. Programmers can, and do become redundant all the time. The future is scary. I’m trying to stay strong for my husband and family but I am running on fumes these days. Flight attendants are often viewed as being the waiters and waitresses of the flying world, but their job duties are much more comprehensive than handing out snacks and sodas. But that could change in the next few years (e.g., if tech stocks burst and companies need to fire people), There's no guarantee that would be successful in another field. Money is the one thing about this job that is fine. All comments that earned deltas (from OP or other users) are listed here, in r/DeltaLog. It's a problem I think most of us face daily. You have to look at the long term return. Medicine is incredibly stable. I don't hate medicine by any means though, or else I wouldn't have made it that far. Doing all that education is not easy. You've made it this far. Yes sometimes I have an idea of which medications cost more so I try to avoid those for initial treatment. Oh wait, but I have a gun to my head forcing me to go to work. It's not all bad of course, but specifically comparing it to the medical field, I'd say people in the medical field are at least more respected. Student loans is a huge issue. I feel like we have a shortage of doctors and nurses because of it. A lot of medicine is simply documentation: if you don't write down that something happened, it's like it … "It cost /you/ that much? Dentist vs Doctor: How Much You Earn. Can't really speak to anything on the medical side, but I can say this is not at all what most CS people experience. I’ll find myself in Engineering. I just have to truck through life one day at a time. But being a doctor isn't just about lots of sex and cocaine parties -- in fact, it's mostly not about that at all. More for the financial rewards, career flexibility. Cookies help us deliver our Services. I just wanted to say that it's not worth it to study medicine if you want to have a good lifestyle. The juice is NOT worth the squeeze. Psychologists suffer from a large subset of people who work quasi-fulltime, part-time, and/or people willing to work for mid-level pay. I honestly just needed to rant. And let’s not beat around the bush, sometimes people decide to become doctors because of the money. I've worked on Christmas and have colleagues who will be doing the same. Big money is in the private sector. But being a doctor isn't just about lots of sex and cocaine parties -- in fact, it's mostly not about that at all. Also when it comes to cost of things, I am never motivated by money when ordering tests. Δ Thanks a lot for trying to show some of the other sides of both careers. It's also a lot more portable within the United States, which can help you live in a lower cost area - reducing the stress of long hours. My uncle, the doctor, practiced medicine until last year. PSA!! “I consider law school a waste of my life and an extraordinary waste of money. Being a woman and a doctor doesn’t change things beyond a certain point. Despite not having the highest doctor salaries in the country, many Quebec physicians actually believe they are paid to much and would rather have the money re-allocated to better services for the system. But, if you think cs people have it all, you have not read enough horror stories. After being behind a million dollars, your interest has also accrued debt. I wanted to be a doctor since I was 16 years old. So there ARE ways around the debt problem if you have the aptitude for ER work in a truly busy ER, or if you want to pursue certain specialties. I wish it was just a job, I really do. A lot of medicine is simply documentation: if you don't write down that something happened, it's like it never happened. Both 3 and 4 (societal and family expectations and money as a renewable resource) require a bit of self awareness that not everyone learns to develop. Ok, so you are pretty correct as far as school and debt and late career start. Doctors will never have to worry about being laid off and make enough money to live a great lifestyle. And, not all CS majors end up making so much money that a doctor’s salary is “worthless” in comparison. Thank you for being a doctor. Of course no one has it just peachy. I would have to take my pre reqs and take Mcat. Most doctors are not rich nor are they poor. In my practice, we were averaging between $250 and $500 for an abortion, and it was cash. So I understand my paycheck as a doctor is very good. Let’s face it, money is a necessity in modern life. I was looked at like a disgusting piece of sh!t by a lot of patients. I don’t drive a fancy new car, I don’t own a house (would love to buy a house but my debt to income ratio is not good). If you're not in the top 1 - 10% (depending on your speciality), you'll get lower wages, and lots of hours of work. Self-Sacrificing Service VS Profitable Self-Preservation. I went to one of the best nursing schools in the country and I had a lot of very inspirational professors who made me feel that nursing was something more than it … Then they came back and wanted a 10 second video clip for $5000. We aim to keep this a safe space. Let me tell you, I had old men hit on me all the time. They had both graduated near the top of their schools. #3, 4, and 8 are big ones. All I want to do honestly is spend time with my family but reality is i am penny pinching to be able to pay my student loans. The work continued to develop apace. You might be good at the type of memorization and social interactions prevalent in medicine, but that might not translate to being good at CS. My uncle, the engineer, got laid off in the 90s and was never able to get a job in the field again. Any questions or concerns? Touching lives is not worthless. When people just see you as "that guy who is good with computers" they start wondering why they pay you so much when the boss's newphew is also good with computers and would work for 1/5th of your rate. I'd argue a doctor doesn't break even until age 45. It’s good money, sure - but you could make as much or more as a corporate lawyer, and law school is 3 years to medical school/residency’s 8. I'm the only one to blame of course. I was a medical student and dropped out this year. In other years, emerging markets are up. A woman who is a doctor will have a tough time after marriage Via Ilmicrofono Oggiono / Flickr. Reasonable working hours, minimal stress, no debt, not too much competition, nice paycheck and they don't have to sacrifice the best time of their lives nor wait 10 years after school to start making good money. If you think doctors are rich, you are so wrong my friends. I am a door dasher and a rover dog walker at night. You only have yourself to blame for this. I'm just so stressed that I started this thread. The thousands of hours studying and laboring over books and notes will take you somewhere. This is a tale of burnout. /u/0xcha1n (OP) has awarded 3 delta(s) in this post. In Quebec, the average doctor is bringing home around $325,000/annually. You're often dealing with entirely new situations that nothing in your background prepared you for, all to meet unreasonable demands that your sales department agreed to. So you just have to understand that it’s not a career to go into for status and money. Another benefit of a high savings rate is that you're used to living on less money. Yes you will have a nice paycheck, but that will be in your mid 30s. The doctors who work the longest hours are cardiologists, who report being on the job 60 hours per week. You are important. No matter what you think about a career in medicine now, I sincerely hope that you can find cause in the life path that you chose. If your decision is based on what Mom, Dad and friends say then you dont belong in medical school or any other career. Or decide to outsource major parts of their IT work. To take the example of two uncles - one was a doctor and other a engineer. Sorry to hear about your bad experience being a doctor. Product and service reviews are conducted independently by our editorial team, but we sometimes make money when you click on links. Well if doctors get a nice paycheck then it’s objectively not worthless. When people just see you as "that guy who is good with computers" they start wondering why they pay you so much when the boss's newphew is also good with computers and would work for 1/5th of your rate. In the same way, CS is up right now and medicine is down. Both 3 and 4 (societal and family expectations and money as a renewable resource) require a bit of self awareness that not everyone learns to develop. But the job market is too bad and the security in those jobs is too poor. Enter with a mindset for conversation, not debate. Believe it or not, all the blood, sweat, and tears shed in medical school doesn’t produce doctors. There is a pretty big gap in CS professionnals. More than many boarded specialists. Great post! The doctors who work the longest hours are cardiologists, who report being on the job 60 hours per week. Law is not a good option. Take a look through r/sysadmin sometime and you'll find its practically a support group for mistreated people fighting burn out. Δ Thank you. That comes out to $5,833 per month. They either inherited wealth or invented some medical product/ which became widely used. A medical professional has to make life and death decisions for others and they dont have the option to call mom and dad. We are all on the same team. It definitely sounds like a career in computer science might be better for you, but there certainly are people who prefer medicine either because they're better at it, enjoy the work more, like being directly involved in saving people's lives, etc. I’m an eye doctor I primary specialty is in glaucoma and corneal diseases. I hate wasting my time so I don’t waste others either. The majority of my friends and people in my fraternity went into higher education for medicine, veterinary, nursing, dentistry, and some pursued academia for a PhD. I really don't see the catch of having a career as a doctor unless you don't see yourself doing something else. No matter what, I treat everyone with kindness because that’s human decency. I am working hard and saving as much as possible into a separate account so one day I can maybe be a doctor 4 days a week, be able to spend time with my family and MAYBE be able to pursue something else. No ONE is better than another person, no one is too good for a job. Whether it's long-standing baggage, happy thoughts, or recent trauma, posting it here may provide some relief. Stress depends on where you're working but its definitely common. What I hate is that I am still scraping by to pay my student loans ($3800/month). I don’t know first hand but I have close friends that are nurses. I’m a nurse and i feel the same way.. people are so unappreciative of what we do. I keep telling myself I just need to pay off these loans so I can do something else like garden, run a lunch food truck, and sell shaved ice on the beach. I just wanted to “help people.” I didn’t fully understand that it comes with a cost of student loans, high insurance costs, malpractice cost, continuing education when I’m not at work. I just had a bad doctor appointment, but was trying to be calm/fair to the doctor. And they get it. Feel free to message us. Maybe there are doctor support groups? Bro I don’t set the fee prices. I did a residency at a VA hospital. Some call it “financial independence,” but when you have meaningful wealth, you lessen the financial imperative to practice medicine and give yourself the freedom to focus on the things that drove you to become a healer in the first place. A place to post an opinion you accept may be flawed, in an effort to understand other perspectives on the issue. However, dentists will generally earn more than most doctors, especially family physicians and lower-tier specialists. It doesn’t make sense, it’s a lose lose situation. But it stops there. This is a bit relieving. I learned a lot with diseases which I will forever be grateful and I learned how to handle difficult situations with composure. Do know when something stupid like that happens it ruins my day. It’s totally elective… Either you have the money or you don’t. This question is difficult to answer, because it gets at the crux of the problem with The Doctor role. I don’t have credit card/car loan debt. ... help Reddit App Reddit coins Reddit premium Reddit … Companies, or the projects within them, sometimes don't live that long. It's an even higher number for specialists and surgeons, as is the case in many other provinces as well. Or become bankrupt. You merely compete within group, with your peers. Honestly, we’ve come so far in this world, life is too dang short for hate and negativity. /You/ had that much money? Graduated at 35. Medical school doesn’t teach you how to become a doctor. “As a doctor, you won't be able to completely escape sad situations. 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