harugumo ifhe rework

The interior is spacious, with numerous … Jon Blon Jovi - Content Creator Extraordinaire - Music Curator - DJ / Occasional Rapper - Comedian What other four point skills come with significant drawbacks? For something like Atlanta im already used to being food for heavy cruisers if i can't DPM them down. And of course, the Akizuki line will no longer be able to pen 32mm. I mean that only works when the enemy is nice enough to stay where you can shoot over the island but not too far where they can dodge your floaty shells. They won't be able to pen DD hulls or even BB superstructures with HE anymore. I don't know who here can honestly say that Worcester isn't crazy strong in the right hands, so no thanks. [–]Math-eUnlimited torpedo works -1 points0 points1 point 1 year ago (0 children). Minotaur is kinda the same story, extra armor will propably just hurt you allowing more shit to stick instead of going through. If the existing plating or armor belt was thicker, it won't be changed; Again, this is pretty much the same story; A Montana will give zero fucks about your Ibuki having 27mm, whereas the sucky Bismarck will bounce. Ideally, I'd have WG remove IFHE completely and balance Ships around STATIC penetration values, but they seem to be dead set on keeping this stupid Skill in game for some reason. Particularly egregious for me was the Malthael rework, which I saw as totally unnecessary and which proceeded to ruin my desire to play the hero. Frankly, if these changes stick, then IFHE should be bumped down to a 3 or 2 point skill in order to compensate. Harugumo IFHE or firestarter build now ? Normandie, Fuso, New Mexico and the infamous Lyon would be the ones hardest hit, to say nothing of T5 BBs. Freeing up that 3% (as compared to the fire chances on IFHE CLs right now) fire chance reduction will also help with lighting fires significantly when most CLs have a 12% or lower base fire chance, and especially so for ships like Duca d'Aosta with her 7%. Follow the reddiquette as closely as you can. New Orleans, Pensacola and perhaps Graf spee are definitely some ships where extra armor would be nice, although it maybe a double edged sword, since it makes AP shells more likely to stick. Re-balancing ships on a one off basis is a ton of work compared to adjusting a global object. Harugumo IFHE or firestarter build now ? [–]Zanurath 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (10 children). Since most light cruisers need IFHE this would make them bit less effective firestarters, but not too by too much. Yet, it means nothing to Warspite, Bayern, SinOP or pretty much any of the 380mm+ armed BBs. Iz balans comrade. You know, since they pen more maybe they have less explosive in them or something, dunno. IF the goal is to nerf light cruisers, why not just nerf IFHE? Småland, Marceau). [–]iEatBacones[REPOI]Beep_Boop 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (1 child). By . So why do they need a nerf? Besides, if people aren't going to lose all their secondaries by the moment they get hit by you, maybe secondary specs will be bit more common over FP/Bos spam. Along with that i was on a vacation at Nizza (i was planning on buying one of those yachts with the money saved from not buying wargamings terrible summer deals , but i ended up getting the haida bundle instead…wg sponsor summer breaks? Provident (+1 consumables) : It's SI, no change. | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | About Us |. I mean, i get the part of "keeping interactions within the class and between the classes, intact", but the interactions between light cruisers and BBs go like this; either you have IFHE and can melt the BB should you dodge damage well enough, or you don't have IFHE and can't do shit (apart from veery slowly cooking em). I don't think so, pen is generally round(caliber/6), in this case 18mm. At all. But again, isn't "low" durability supposed to be the downside for low tier cruisers? They're certainly not overpowered, and are no more strong than the USN CAs, and much more situational. [–]Lord_WC 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (3 children). La IFHE coincido que es obligatoria, no solo para pasar ciertas partes de los acorazados sino también para cruceros, contra los que inevitablemente te las vas a tener que ver en algún momento, y con IFHE casi te aseguras destrozarlos (aunque claro, el problema suele ser el fuego de vuelta con AP, del que nunca te debes descuidar). Posts related to WoWS Blitz (Mobile game) belong in /r/WoWSBlitz and posts related to WoWS Legends (Xbox/PS4) belong in /r/WoWs_Legends. If you can't tell, im not really a fan of this one either. Quick question: I'm close to getting the Flint(400 more steel as of writing this), would IFHE still be a good pick or should I just abandon it and go for pure Fire? [–]darkestvice 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children). [–]covfefe_rexKriegsmarine 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (11 children). The song was written … HE shells at the moment can efficently a) reduce the enemy ships HP by merit of it inherent damage, b) set fires and c) damage modules. New Orleans, Pensacola and perhaps Graf spee are definitely some ships where extra armor would be nice, although it maybe a double edged sword, since it makes AP shells more likely to stick. Perhaps something like a harugumo that already has reasonable (though not exceptional) stealth would be something where you might pass on concealment expert, too. And I'm inclined to believe that, if they could only pen 18mm after the rework then that's a huge nerf. It's very frustrating to players to lack 1mm of pen and go from doing 100% damage to 0% damage and has exactly zero historical basis. Not related to the thickness of the armour. Exodus of the light cruisers? And I dare say it's this oversimplification that makes it such a "good" skill, and hence why its nerf or removal is met with strong opposition. I don't like the dynamic at Tier 6 and 7 where IFHE is needed to pen equal Tier BBs, but becomes useless against BBs when bottom tier. This change is just too binary in general; Why should Dallas have the same external armor as Aoba? My main issue is that it means quite a bit for some BBs, yet for others it's nothing. But for the Wooster it wouldn't feel that much different, maybe you get few less fires, but thats it. Colbert is even worse in this since for all it’s DPM it’s so squishy anyone with half decent aim can make that ship evaporate and it can’t even pen BBs other than superstructure. World of Warships. I don't want to sound rude or condescending but the issue at hand could be solved just by knowing where to aim. ESTO ES HARAJUKU DAYS Y SOMOS EL HARAJUKU TEAM! This will cause the ricochet of shells with caliber up to 429 mm. 13mm ends are not going to outweigh the impact of that change when the improved plating spans a good 80%+ of the ship's length, and more importantly the length of the citadel. I don't entirely disagree with you and am not opposed to reworking the intended rolls of CLs and CAs in game, but I still have several issues with how WG is going about it. Plating of the central part for tier VI – VII cruisers is brought to the value of 25 mm. Earlier implementation of IFHE was more or less fine. © 2021 reddit inc. All rights reserved. X-Posts MUST BE MARKED. Light cruisers' inability to damage their peers with HE is a consequence of up-armoring against AP overmatch. [–]Zanurath 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (4 children). Overwhelmingly, though, concealment expert is mandatory for nearly all ships. With few slow reloading torps and only a 5% fire chance, she'll be relegated to being a pure DD hunter and that's pretty much it. [–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (5 children). Honestly, i wish the HE pen mechanics had worked like this all along. Yay 1 fire. All posts and comments must adhere to sitewide Reddit rules. Bei den Skills steht zum Abschluss SI oder SE zur Debatte. Interactive heatmap of all flamuu broadcasts on Twitch with detailed statistics for each stream. Az egyetlen high tier dd-m a Daring, az meg megvédeni se tudja magát a planek ellen annyira szar rajta az AA, így kb bukta, hogy azzal játszak. IFHE will only increase your ability to damage some cruisers that have 27mm of plating. I have always loved that even when you are bottom tier if you play properly you at least have some sort of chance to have a decent impact, but these changes make that chance, at least for Light cruisers absurdly small. Maar ja, met de CV rework is dat scenario en anderen "even" weg. Italian cruisers definitely could use some buffs, regardless if IFHE is changed or not. This includes intentional team-killing/ "friendly fire" and AFK'ing matches intentionally. Yet, you have crazy amount of ships which would suck to play without or with less effective IFHE. DDs have enough issues as it is. COVID update: Haru has updated their hours, takeout & delivery options. I propose nerfing the IFHE within it's current limits, thus: Increase the fire penalty for 139mm shells and below from -1% to -2%. Most of them have, but Pensacola, New Orleans (and Indianapolis, if it needs buffs), Graf spee ("cruiser") have just 19mm on their sides, along with Algerie having 22mm. The naval warfare doctrine then is that of the bigger the guns, the better. Plating of central part for tiers VIII - IX cruisers is brought to the value of 27 mm. In my eyes this is more of a split between heavy and light introducing a seperate layer in the interaction "battleships beat cruisers, cruisers beat destroyers, ...". Harugumo 1K ms Shima 915 ms Kita 1k ms Yugumo 915 ms Kagero 91 5ms Irian 950 ms Huang he 950 ms Blyas 900 ms ... Looks like they're going to push through the moronic IFHE Nerf. More about CL design is being changed than HE performance. Now, this all said and done, I don't fundamentally disagree with any of your suggestions, on the stipulation that the -1 rule still goes away and the plating changes remain. Normal HE Penetration is changed to the absolute 1/6th pen value for all guns except 152-155 mm guns which get 1/5th pen. This, in my opinion would be very good; a lot of new players don't have the points at those tier to spec IFHE and it's honestly laughable when a newb on a Dallas is shooting a T7 BB and just shattering. A good example of this is 127 mm guns. If you also add those low tier heavy cruisers that 25mm plating (giving them some resistance from DDs and BBs), while also making its so that the HE pen for pretty much everything is buffed by +1mm, i personally think the game would improve. Win-win? Is there really that much to wonder about cl armor changes? Increase the fire penalty for above 139mm shells from -3% to -5%. Funnily enough, something like Kitakaze or Grozovoi could bowtank Henri's AP, whereas the CLs couldn't. jinelcrimp8 posted a topic in World of Warships Hi I am unsure how to specc my captain on this ship seeing most of the tier X BBs have 38mm+ deck armor. Please flair your posts! Along with that, you notice that your long range AA is reduced by 50% and mid range by 75%. So an Akizuki without IFHE could do 25% to a battleship and an akizuki with IFHE would now do 50% to a battleship. For example, take the interaction between CAs and CBs. Threshing (It's IFHE but 3pts cost) : IFHE but leaves 1pt free. You know exactly how nice it would be for the GK to actually pen 32mm. But I'm very pro "Fire vanilla or Alpha with IFHE". (A) "Scorecard" posts (In game results screenshots, container results, and the like) are allowed to be posted on Saturdays for exceptional games or container results, or to showcase rare in-game moments, but any scorecard post may be removed at moderator's discretion. GIB ℳ؋$₷₪¥₻i | "CLs are extremely overpowered" | UNOVI, "Players are players, plans are words, and words are wind. It would need a mm higher caliber for that. I don't think most of the mid tier CLs need nerfs on the magnitude of -50% fire chance and the inability to pen BB plating when bottom tier. How does knowing how to aim have anything to do with HE being a binary damage dealer? Now, if we stopped here, i could write this off as simply as a big game change for the CLs. Adding Italian tech tree smoke or giving them 1/4 HE pen are just two examples. Obviously, this sucks, especially for secondary build BBs, where after that you might have lost 5/6 secondary guns on the one side you really needed them to stay alive. If you post a screenshot of the game, try to explain what people should focus on in the image in a comment. As a last point: DDs will now have a part on CLs that they can reliable pen with their HE, potentially adding a little damage to DDs. Also not a bad thing when looking at Sinop and Kremlin in particular. Increase the fire penalty for above 139mm shells from -3% to -5%. Also, 152mm AP is nowhere near consistent enough to be a source of damage. I see a new person explaining why they are leaving the game every day and im just here viben, recent matchmaking inspired me to rewrite a popular 80's song, The WOWS replay system needs serious improvements. Besides, how much of an issue are IFHE armed ships truly? For every light cruiser, this change alone would be big. (A) Posts and comments that are deemed overly toxic towards users, players, members of Wargaming staff, ethnic, or national groups will be removed and the poster will be banned without warning. Users may be exempted from this rule by the moderators if they are deemed to be providing content that is a ‘service to the WoWS community’, or if their posts contribute to a regular subreddit themed event. Stretching again that fighting BBs is not their primary role, but stacking fires might actually nerf Soviet BBs a little since they are more than all the others vulnerable to extended exposure of damage of time (DoT) modifiers. This is mainly due to the fact that on many cruisers HE shells are just too useful a weapon to consider switching to AP for that potential juicy broadside. Jul 31, 2020 00:20 Profile This will keep interactions within the class, and between classes, intact considering changes to the HE shells penetration: 152 mm with penetration of 1/6 of the caliber won't penetrate the new plating of 26 mm; Remember everything i said about the annoyance of missing just 1mm of pen? [–]ryanyz10 2 points3 points4 points 1 year ago (0 children). Minder daka maar wel 19,2 km range. A good captain may know how to increase overall damage with the occasional AP salvo, but for the most part spamming HE like a brain dead zombie will yield acceptable results. Boise/Nuevo de Julio exhibit this dramatically as the super heal makes the trade even more uneven, but Helena has the same capability to simply eat every other T7 CA alive unless she shows excessive broadside to a USN heavy. This will cause the ricochet of shells with a caliber up to 357 mm. This will cause the ricochet of shells with a caliber up to 357 mm. Not sure if there's anything with a plating between 32 and 37 mm, though... Yahagi (still no news about it, it's almost been 9 months since it's been announced...) : cannot pen 32mm anymore, fire chance goes from 10% to 6,5%. Also the new rounding that allows 152mm to damage 25mm. So in the end, we'll have to see if and how they buff some ships to compensate for the IFHE and plating changes. [–]Vanzig 6 points7 points8 points 1 year ago (4 children). I would also like to apologize for being blunt in my previous comment, but I found the claim that Worcester play involves "huge risk" a bit shocking. 1 point2 points3 points 1 year ago (0 children). Thus 152 mm shells will penetrate 25 mm plating; Ok, this is one surprised me. Now i know the changes are entangled in a way that one affects the other, but i have to start somewhere. Optting to deal reliable chip damage instead by picking the overhauled IFHE skill is still an option though, but I consider it more interesting teamplaywise when CLs can pressure BBS with DoT effects while other BBs deal chip damage. So high tier light cruisers will get thicker casemates and will be able to pen 30mm without IFHE (unlike now) ... but in exchange, if they do take IFHE, it'll cut their fire chance in half. That's a pretty big change, considering that right now it's shatter city if you don't take IFHE. Boise/Nuevo de Julio exhibited this to a particular extreme with their super heal. Code giveaways are allowed as long as it abides by the RMT rule. No, it really isn't, not when CLs are getting the same plating changes as CAs. And beforehand, no one missed it. It doesn't seem possible to separate the two without making ship stats confusing and difficult to remember. The entire middle-front and middle-rear share one single fire location, so it is necessary to spread shells to the very tail, very nose and the middle, or else all the shells hitting the superstructure will start a grand total of 1 fire that a battleship can simply out-heal, while the quickly-damage-immune superstructure is not harming the battleship. 0 points1 point2 points 1 year ago (0 children), reworked MAA comes with longer burst cooldown, [–]FoolsPryroGIB ℳ؋$₷₪¥₻i | "CLs are extremely overpowered" | UNOVI[S] 9 points10 points11 points 1 year ago (0 children). (B) Contents of lootboxes may only be posted if the lootboxes are obtainable for free in-game (Such as Supercontainers). 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